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Suspension woes

Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by spud, Jul 14, 2008.

  1. Jul 14, 2008
    spud

    spud Nope..it's not finished!

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    I test drove the rig for the first time on Saturday and I all most brought it home on a wrecker!!! The body roll was so bad that I thought I would lose it and end up in the ditch. Everything is tight and installed by the book. CJ5 on Rancho 2.5 in lift springs with Prothane bushings and RS5000 shocks. HD replacement shackles on front and back. These springs are soft but this is crazy. I can push on the roll bar and lift the body 6 inches or more sitting in the shop. It's like it riding on marshmellows
     
  2. Jul 14, 2008
    lilredyj

    lilredyj New Member

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    Sounds like you need a sway bar on the front. Or maybe replacing the shocks might help. The softness will allow for GOOD articulation out on the trail though :)
     
  3. Jul 14, 2008
    High5

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    I wish my springs were that soft:)
     
  4. Jul 14, 2008
    timgr

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    One possibility is to go with less lift and stiffer springs. You can likely sell the new springs for most of what you paid for them. Stock length shackles? Who sold you the springs?
     
  5. Jul 14, 2008
    spud

    spud Nope..it's not finished!

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    Tim, I bought these from 4wd hardware. The shackles are are maybe an inch longer than stock but I got them for the heftyness more then the length.
     
  6. Jul 14, 2008
    Psychojeeper

    Psychojeeper Aint 'sposed to be pretty

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    Try stiffer valved shocks, might help a lot. Re-drill the shackles to make them closer to stock length, look into a sway bar. I also get a lot of body/suspension movement when pushing on the roll bar, but it rides well. It might just be a matter of getting used to the way the new suspension rides and handles and adjusting your driving habits.
     
  7. Jul 14, 2008
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Wow! RS5000s are not a soft shock. They're too stiff for my taste. I want them off my CJ soon as possible.

    Though ultimately it would be the springs that cause the Jeep to act in this manner, not the shocks.

    Though it sounds like my 5. I've got 3 and 1/2 springs in each pack. It flexes like mad. I can grab the sport bar and push and it'll flex a good 6" either direction when I do that.

    So yeah, either drive it more and become used to it or put some stiffer springs on. "Helper" springs might be a possibility, they are notoriously stiff and would be a relatively cheap and easy solution.
     
  8. Jul 14, 2008
    khamill

    khamill Member

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    I am running what sounds like the exact same suspension and I can jump (180 lbs) on my bumpers and it won't move more than 1/2 inch. Climbing in doesn't move it at all.
     
  9. Jul 14, 2008
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Colin, mine moved alot too on almost the same set up. Most people found it scary to drive... at times I did too!

    I went with Rancho 9000 shocks, set on 3 or 4 (4 was close to your Rancho 5000 for stifness) and that limited some of the body roll. As said, offroad it was great, but on road it had alot of pitch and sway to get used to.

    Have Blake push on the rig while you watch exactly what is moving.
    I did this... and what I saw was that almost all of the movement was in the new poly bushings.
    I was going to replace them with stock bushings... steel inner sleve, steel outer sleeve. I think that would help alot. I eventually got used to it and never did replace them... but I never did feel that I got the problem totally under control.

    If you see what I saw... the original style bushings may actually prevent alot of the sway. Many say that the poly is "stiffer" than the stock rubber, and fom a durometer perspective that's probably true... but somehow I think they're allowing more sway.

    Rock it around, tell us exactly where the movement is and is not...

    HTH !!
     
  10. Jul 14, 2008
    spud

    spud Nope..it's not finished!

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    I had Blake do just that. Most of the movement is in the spring bushings and some is the spring itself. This rig starts shifting back and forth about 35 mph and won't stop until I came to a complete stop. I don't need a lift kit that bad to risk an accident. I can't imagine anyone "getting used to" this condition either. I'll get the front end lined up first before I pass final judgement. I just did a tape measure alignment to get by until I can get it to town.
    Checklist:
    1.All hardware tight
    2.Correct PN for leaf springs, bushings and shackles by application
    3.Tire pressures at 35psi
    4.All tie rod and steering link ends are tight
    5.New steering shaft installed and tight
    6.Ball joints tight

    Everything is new and it drives like a carnival ride.:?
     
  11. Jul 14, 2008
    High5

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    Frame cracked or anything. Seems awfully wierd that it would act like that.

    High5
     
  12. Jul 14, 2008
    lynn

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    Retrofitting a sway bar from a later NT CJ is one way to solve most of the sway. The install will be faily easy, and some quick disconnects would allow you to disengage the sway bar for the trail.
    There are aftermarket sway bars too.

    This is why sway bars became standard on CJs... but yours sounds pretty extreme, something else is going on there. I'd suspect stiffer bushings would fix most of the sway.
     
  13. Jul 14, 2008
    spud

    spud Nope..it's not finished!

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    I weigh 275lbs and I can use my bumper as a spring board. How can there be so much difference in the same equipment???
     
  14. Jul 14, 2008
    spud

    spud Nope..it's not finished!

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    I won't need disconnects, it won't be off road. That's what Casper is for (avitar).
     
  15. Jul 14, 2008
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    You didn't include the fact that it shifts back and forth. :shock:

    Mine is just extremely soft which is what I thought you were describing and takes getting used to. I'd never suggest that you get used to something like this. There's something seriously wrong here. Which you obviously knew but I missed important details or they weren't included in the original post.
     
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    timgr

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    Caster problem? Loose bushings or cracked frame (both mentioned above) or something like that?
     
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    spud

    spud Nope..it's not finished!

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    Frame is solid. It was media blasted and checked before the POR-15 was applied.
     
  18. Jul 14, 2008
    aallison

    aallison 74 cj6, 76 cj5. Has anyone seen my screwdriver?

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    What are the bushings made of? Polly or rubber? Not to be Capt'n Obvious but something is not right........
     
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    Dragon

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    My question too. What are the bushings made out of? Bushing are made to be flexible, bot not that flexible. Is there any slack in your steering box? Steering stabilizer?
     
  20. Jul 14, 2008
    packrat2A

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    My SoftRide suspension scares anyone that rides with me, it leans around the corners that bad. I've gotten used to it, and it works really well on and off-road.
    It does sound like there is an underlying problem with your rig.

    One thing I noticed is your tire pressure. I really doubt you need 35psi to carry the wieght of a CJ. I run 35x12.50x15 Swampers on mine and I never have them about 25 lbs, street or trail. your tires will probably suffer from what looks like an over-inflation problem eventually.

    Heres how to tell the correct pressure (on any vehicle).
    Use a long, hard surface, as smooth as you can find. Parking lots wok good.
    draw a chalk line across all 4 tires, parallel with the ground.
    Drive or roll foreward enough to erase part of the chalk line. No cornering!
    when the tire pressure is correct for that vehicle, the chalk line will be scrubbed out all the way across the tire.
    If its gone in the middle, the tire is over-inflated
    If its gone on the outside, but not the middle, then the tire is under-inflated.
    Adjust accordingly to all 4 tires. its possible to have 4 different pressures in the 4 tires, but choose an average for all of them (or each axle pair if necessary) to make life easier. You might have to repeat the lines until you get it right...

    HTH!
     
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