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Another Engine Compartment Data Plate Question

Discussion in 'Early Jeep Restoration and Research' started by maurywhurt, Jan 17, 2018.

  1. Jan 17, 2018
    maurywhurt

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    I've never seen a metal tag with that info, let alone as early as '66. I've always seen the later years (1968-up) as stickers on the shroud area of the grill ahead of the radiator. Was this a California based tag? Original to yours?
    -Donny
     
  3. Jan 18, 2018
    NCRenII

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    Interesting ! both tags relate to the same federal action, the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act, Sept 9, '66 ( http://uscode.house.gov/statutes/pl/89/563.pdf ) and made the Federal Govt responsible to set and administer new safety standards for vehicles and roads.
    Either tag may likely be from the years 68 or forward as 67 yr vehicles were already designed and being built by the time the law was passed and codified. Think back and remember seat belts, head rests, and side markers all began to appear with model year 68.
    I did not read through the law, yet expect the law laid the rules and delegated responsibility to various existing or new fed agencies to review and develop standards. Any implementation would be days (and likely months) after the law was passed.
     
  4. Jan 18, 2018
    maurywhurt

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    Donny, Neither of the above plates came from my '67. I just found the photos online. The second plate, according to the serial number shown in the ECJ5 post I referenced, came out of a '69. As NCRenll noted, these plates may have been installed starting in the '68 model year jeeps, i.e. maybe as early as late 1967.

    Is the sticker on the radiator shroud you mentioned this one, or was there another decal there in addition to this one?

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    Describing these stickers, a note on the supplier's website (CJ5 Forum Decals) states:

    "These decals were used with the Dauntless V6 engine from 1967-71 until the AMC motors were put in use. They are affixed under the hood to the shroud in front of the radiator and measure 2-3/4" X 5-3/4". The date in the "Applicable to 1970 Model Year New Motor Vehicles" line is the only difference between the years - the number for the year will change. Send me an e-mail and let me know which year you want."

    On my '67 (which was built in August of '66) the outline of the long-gone original decal is still visible on the radiator shroud. However, I believe the above description is somewhat in error with respect to the later years indicated. Certainly for the 1971 model year, as well as the later-manufactured 1970's, the manufacturer's name on these decals would have been changed, as Kaiser sold Jeep to AMC in early 1970.

    - Maury
     
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    Keys5a

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    Maury, The decal you referenced above (or very similar) is the sticker I was thinking about in post #2.
    It would be interesting to know some back-story on that '66 dated tag.
    On re-reading the content on the tag, it only states compliance with a standard established in '66, but may have beeen used several years later showing that vehicle met the earlier standard.
    -Donny
     
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    maurywhurt

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    It turns out that Dataplates4U reproduces the later version of the above plate (though without the rounded corners):

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  7. Jan 18, 2018
    OzFin

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    There was one on my 1970 Jeepster/Commando.

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    It was originally mounted by the battery. The paint trim code was directly below it.

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    I reinstalled by the model/serial number data plate. Not original location but I wanted it away from the battery vent/ corrosive fumes.
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    Oz
     
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    NCRenII

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    I am fairly convinced that no federal standards were mandated prior to 1/1/68 ( Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards and Regulations ).
    Now, this does not say that manufacturers (especially U.S. Domestic) worked with the Dept of Transportation (? or whatever Fed Agency handled those things prior to the new law) to roll out some safety equipment.
    Evidenced by the above Jan 1 68 was the roll-out of the first regulations. This placed manufacturers in a spot that some things in the '68 model year cars did not comply with Fed Regs as the design and production was well under way (i.e. small side marker lights on chrysler and pontiac products). I know that headrests (in passenger vehicles) became required Jan 1 '69, prior to then they were optional. By '69 most manufacturers dsign facilities had heads up of proposed law.
     
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    maurywhurt

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    NCRenII, I think you're likely correct re. the motor vehicle safety standards referred to in those data plates.

    Beyond the federal vehicle safety standards that were mandated in the 1960's, H.E.W. (U.S. Dept. of Health, Education, & Welfare, which predated the EPA) began work on the Clean Air Act, i.e. air pollution control measures, in 1963. As I understand it, the ensuing legislation - the Motor Vehicle Air Pollution Control Act of 1965 and the Air Quality Act of 1967 - were subsequently updated many times over the following years. Here's one source of info on this subject: https://www.nap.edu/read/11586/chapter/5

    I believe the resulting series of mandated vehicle requirements are what the "Vehicle Emissions Control Information" radiator shroud decals refer to. I don't know the details of the various phases of this legislation, however, or the timing of the specific vehicle changes that were required.
     
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    Seems that California was the first to identify the need (I recall the photos of LA under the pall of heavy smog) the Fed Gov originally backed efforts of individual states.
    In '59 Ca started by establishing oversight and set standards, in '63 pcv valves appeared, and tailpipe stds became effective in '66. The earliest efforts consisted of pcv, intake air pre-heating and distributor timing events. As requirements rolled in over the years more and more mechanical changes (compression ratios, camshaft timing), and components air pumps and all sorts of vacuum controlled spark cutouts (high gear ratio and engine heat), 195* thermostats, etc, were phased in and ultimately such things as catylitic convertors, variable camshafts and computer controlled fuel injection.
    Even today it's seldom (never?) that so-cal gets the amount of smog they saw in the early 60's, this, even with the balooning population.
     
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    [​IMG] My 1970 has this plate Kaiser of Canada, with the 1966 date
     
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    maurywhurt

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    Here's an enlargement of the plate shown in Kaiser Krawler's post immediately above:

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    Interesting that the Kaiser Jeep of Canada plate used the same language as the first one shown in post #1, referencing the 1966 U.S law.

    Could this indicate anything other than Kaiser Krawler's 1970 CJ having been originally built in Canada for the U.S. market? I'd previously just assumed the U.S.-destined jeeps all came from Toledo.
     
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    NCRenII

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    When we would get an application for title at the Texas DMV on an imported vehicle it had to have a customs form (among other things). One of the things that US Customs looked for was that plate or decal information identifying the vehicle as confirming to US Safety and Emissions standards. Don’t know when it started but we referred to that as a Nadar sticker as in Ralph.
    Today’s cars have a conforming sticker on the door post.

    Non conforming vehicles are considered gray market vehicles and not supposed to be titled in the US.

    All that to say are these examples manufactured for import or export? Kind of goes along with the registered trade mark plate possibly used on import or export units.
     
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