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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by FinoCJ, Aug 11, 2022.

  1. FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

    1) Is there a spec for how much end play should be in the planetary when sitting inside the barrel gear?
    This one looks to have just under .05"....too much?
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    FinoCJ, Aug 11, 2022
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  2. Oldpappy

    Oldpappy A.C. Fults - Curmudgeon at large 2022 Sponsor

    If that is the one you got from me the nose cap of those older Warns are just sitting on roll pins instead of the screws used in later versions.

    Others may know more than I do, but I don't know whether the end play here matters, but I would assume it doe not since there is nothing to tighten it up until the unit is installed.

    If you find there is a problem with that unit I will buy it back for what you paid for it.
     
    Oldpappy, Aug 11, 2022
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  3. FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

    Exactly what I am thinking...I installed it but still trying to figure out the shifter linkage and twin stick clearance.
     
    FinoCJ, Aug 12, 2022
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  4. Jw60

    Jw60 That guy 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    I don't think that gap matters in forward motion.
     
    Jw60, Aug 12, 2022
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  5. duffer

    duffer Rodent Power

    What I made for the 3B.
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    My pivot bracket bolts to the adapter which will be a lot different from your SM465.
     
    duffer, Aug 12, 2022
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  6. W2SNO

    W2SNO Member

    that 'gap' is not adjustable, but I notice in the photo the radial needle bearing is outboard of both the thin and thick bearing races. It belongs between them. Manufacturer diagrams show the thinner race towards the cap, but I install the thicker race towards the cap so it doesn't slip down during assembly.
     
    W2SNO, Aug 12, 2022
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  7. Oldpappy

    Oldpappy A.C. Fults - Curmudgeon at large 2022 Sponsor

    I don't think so. Sort of looks that way in the top picture but I think that is an optical illusion. The second picture shows the thick thrust washer against the bowl, the bearing, and the thin thrust washer against the cone with the bearing between them as it should be. You can see the space and even the ends of the roller bearings.

    Duffer's very nicely made shifter is for a rear shift unit. This overdrive is an early Warn with the front shift. I think some spacers about 3/8" to 1/2" under the bracket will provide the clearance needed.
     
    Oldpappy, Aug 12, 2022
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  8. FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

    Correct...this is what it's is...photo has some sticky grease or something giving the optical illusion.
    The issue is more about how to mount the shifter pivot....the 465 is pretty far forward and the D18 twin sticks block the rear corner where I was hoping to mount the bracket. The twin sticks are also right up against the side of the 465 - I had to do some grinding on the shifter mount/front cap just to get them in there. So I think the od shifter needs to be rearward of the twin sticks, but then the mount gets trickier...as duffer said, ideally it would mount or be located on the adapter between the 465 and d18....but just started looking at this.
     
    FinoCJ, Aug 12, 2022
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  9. colojeepguy

    colojeepguy Colorado Springs

    Wow. I wish I had your fabrication skills!
     
    colojeepguy, Aug 12, 2022
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  10. duffer

    duffer Rodent Power

    James, look in Roy's (Fireball) 71 build thread for how he mounted the shifter to the SM465. That too is rear shift if I recall correctly but you should still be able to make something similar.
     
    duffer, Aug 12, 2022
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  11. FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

    Yes - I will copy some of that (and recognize he both had to change the lower shift linkage and mine is a front mount - which hopefully will be easier), but....he was able to mount the pivot pretty far forward on the transmission - not sure if I can get away with it that far up under the dash, or I'll have to learn how to really bend the shift cane. I'll work on it a bit this weekend (if not out jeeping) and see what hack job I can come up...
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    FinoCJ, Aug 12, 2022
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  12. duffer

    duffer Rodent Power

    It would seem like the best solution for that would be a bracket welded or bolted to the adapter plate with the shifter about parallel to the transfercase shifters. Or come off the trans cover rearward.
     
    duffer, Aug 12, 2022
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  13. Fireball

    Fireball Well-Known Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    I intentionally put mine inline with the Trasmission shifter for a litle symmetry. Front shift would have been easier to deal with but, of course, doesn't work with the large hole D18.

    Bending the levers is easy. I ended up having to bend all four of them to get things to clear each other. The transmission one required heat from a torch but all the others cold bent easily by putting a piece of pipe over them.
     
    Fireball, Aug 13, 2022
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