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Odd fire bellhousings?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by thatch 65, Feb 26, 2011.

  1. Feb 26, 2011
    thatch 65

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    I ended up with a 77 331 out of an old jeepster, who knows where it's oragin and 67 225 out of a CJ6. I have a 65 CJ5 134 T90 and am knocking around my options. I am told my T90 is a short shaft big hole and will not work with the V6s. My question is what transmission would go with these. What am I looking for that will hold up to the V6 and let me keep my fresh transfer and front / rear PTO? The square hole flat end bell was on the 331 odd and the shorter rectangle flat end was on the 225. Both engines have the heavy flywheel. Will this be a plug and play or am I into shaft length changes and mount welding and reposisioning?
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  2. Feb 26, 2011
    Warloch

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    I think you mean you have a 231 and a 225 - the T90 is a long shaft that you need (I have several and they can be gotten from an adaptor). You will also need the adaptor plate to use it on the standard bell.

    As to the Bells you have - Top pic for ground looks to be a later version with the molded adaptor on it to a T14 - the other looks like the standard one.
     
  3. Feb 26, 2011
    nickmil

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    What Warloch said. The top pic shows a standard 225 bellhousing on the floor by the motor with the standard GM transmission bolt pattern. The one shown with the "square" or rectangular bolt pattern is the late '70 '71 bellhousing with the T-14 adapter as part of the bellhousing so that is basically limited to a T-14 or T-86 unless you can do some creative machining. The standard GM trans bolt pattern opens up lots of possibilities depending on money, what parts you can source, etc.

    The T-90 from a 4 cylinder is indeed a short input shaft but that can be changed with a long input shaft and front bearing retainer from a Willys PU or Wagon. Very common conversion, or if you have a T-86 case you can use the bellhousing with the the "molded in" adapter by installing T-90 innerds including the long input shaft.

    What is the intended use and do you have any other transmissions available that you can easily adapt to your transfer case? Lots and lots of ways to go here.
     
  4. Feb 27, 2011
    thatch 65

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    Thanks for the replys!
    I use LeRoy, for the most part, on the fire roads and passes in the GW and Jefferson National Forest (the best trout ar remote). I do not go hard on the ol beast, I try to use what KW gave it and take my sweet time. The F134 does ok once I am in there but getting there is another story. The 45 MPH is ok with me but the required shift down and 25-30 MPH up the mountains seems to irritate others behind me that are in a hurry to get to the next look out and stop. I would like to hold 45 up the steep hard surface roads.

    I do have the below spare T-90 that is now ready for re-assembly. Perhaps I should wait until I can acquire a long shaft and front bearing retainer bearing??

    Funds-a-low has set in. I spent my spousal allotted budget on the T-90 rebuild parts, a set of floor brases / pans and a rear cross member. That being said, I am looking for low budget, (genaric mac-cheese, dented vegie cans and beenie weenies will have to do for a while) suggestions that are on a mechanicaly incline, learn as you go skill scale.

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    Lots of good clean F and L 134 shelf stock can be bartered as well. Onec I digest and understand suggestions I will post on classified.

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  5. Feb 27, 2011
    cerial

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    Your organizational skills impress me sir.
     
  6. Feb 27, 2011
    timgr

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    Also note that there are three variants of the T90. The usual way to adapt a T90 is to take a T90A from a CJ and fit the longer input shaft from the T90J used in the Utility Wagon and Truck.

    If you have a T90C from a CJ, you may want to use the newer thin adapter from Novak. http://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/kit_g9n.htm If you have a T90C, there is some advantage to keeping it, because it has wider ratio spacing and a lower 1st gear.

    Regardless of which way you go with this, you're going to have to move stuff around and fit new frame towers for the motor mounts. Even with all-Jeep parts, it's not plug-and-play.
     
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  7. Feb 27, 2011
    thatch 65

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    T-90 in use 65 CJ5 F head and on the bench out of a 66 CJ5 F head are both T-90C.
     
  8. Feb 27, 2011
    Mcruff

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    Have to ask, what is the deal with this connecting rod? It looks like part of it has been milled away, doesn't look right to me.


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  9. Feb 27, 2011
    thatch 65

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    Here are some more views. I haven't a clue. These are from the 77 231. The 67 225 is not the same but they are both odd fires. The 77 also has slightly different configuration on the water pump, timming cover and distributor mount as well.
     
  10. Feb 27, 2011
    nickmil

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    Definitely been apart in the past. The punch marks on the rods are a dead giveaway. I'd say someone probably balanced or weight matched that rod to the others at some point.
     
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