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Correct Yf 938sd Float Setting ?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Howard Eisenhauer, Aug 26, 2023.

  1. Aug 26, 2023
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    I have an issue with Tonka's running rich and it's been getting worse; in fact I can now start & idle with the the throttle completely closed (idle speed screw not touching the stop) & the idle air screwed all the way in o_O. It runs rough but it runs & does a great job of fumigating the garage. If I take the idle air screw out it perks right up & idles normally.

    I've torn the carb down, not finding anything obvious like a leaky accelerator pump (diaphragm is getting iffy but not lleaking yet- replacement on order). The idle & main jets are, to the best of my ability to measure them, at the very least pretty darn close to the sizes listed in BrianP's posting on the subject some years ago-


    I've verified that the rod that was in the carb is labelled 75-1500 but the sizes I'm measuring are .079, .072, .062, .046 which, given the sizes listed as stock and Brian's own measurements, would seem to indicate I should be running leaner than would be expected. :shrug: A replacement rod that I found in a 10-15 year old rebuild kit measures the same.

    Moving on the the float & valve i do have the correct spring loaded needle. The float was Not at the 5/16", 5/16" listed in the manual, it was actually a bit wider which would have the effect of lowering the fuel level in the bowl, again I would expect this to lean things out a bit. :rolleyes: However looking at a carter adjustment bulletin I found over on the 3B page


    I saw something I haven't seen before- for "resilient seat" valves the cover-float setting goes up to 1/2". Now my valve has the rubber tip- is this the same thing as a "resilient seat"? At 1/2' the float sits a lot closer to how the illustration in the manual looks-

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    5/16" setting-

    5_16_sm.jpg

    1/2"-

    1_2_sm.jpg

    What I'm thinking is that the 5/16" setting is too high making things run rich, although I have no explanation on why its been getting worse as the float is not leaking.

    So I guess my question is can anyone inform me on the proper float setting, and is there anything other than the float that I've missed ?
     
  2. Aug 26, 2023
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    Yup. An important point, often overlooked. There are different float settings for different needles. I think this has flummoxed many people before now, and still does.

    But someone smarter than me will need to answer your particular question.

    Pro tip - use a drill bit of correct diameter as a gauge. (edit... for float height.)
     
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  3. Aug 26, 2023
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    I have a numbered set but the right size for the main jet is missing, a 3/16" is pretty close & felt about right for the fit. For the idle jet my set doesn't have any bits that small- I used a piece of wire about the right size, again it felt about right.
     
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    Okay, but what I meant was between the float and the carb top, to set the height. :)
     
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  5. Aug 26, 2023
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Ahhh- yes iIdid do that :)
     
  6. Aug 27, 2023
    scoutpilot

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    I don't think you have a float/needle and seat issue. I think you have a vacuum leak around the throttle shaft.
     
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    I agree with Scoutpilot.

    The clue is, (underlining mine):

    "I can now start & idle with the the throttle completely closed (idle speed screw not touching the stop) & the idle air screwed all the way in"

    The YF is a fairly simple carburetor, I have heard them described as a "mouse trap", Once you have the float and metering rod adjusted correctly it should run fine provided the circuits are open, and it is not sucking air from a vacuum leak. With the throttle closed, and the mixture screw all the way in it wouldn't idle unless it was getting some air, it is not getting enough air so the mixture is rich.
     
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  8. Aug 28, 2023
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    It's definitely not a shaft leak. it may be that the carb was not bolted down as tight as it should have been- the nut next to the valve cover was , if not exactly loose, not exactly tight..

    I'm not understanding why an air leak would cause the rich condition- more air should lean things out at the cylinders should it not?
     
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    Glenn

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    That nut is in an awkward place which makes it hard to determine if it's tight enough or equally tight to the other one.
     
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    I think we are getting confused with this.
    I read that the exterior screw that stops the butterfly is backed out and the idle mixture screw is in.
    To my knowledge (absolutely none) that would cause the accelerator pump to flutter like the fuel pump in a lawnmower .
     
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    scoutpilot

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    Yeah. That back nut can be difficult to reach. You are correct in that more air leans the mixture but the usual fix is to open the Mixture Screw some more which enrichs the mixture. As the shaft and bores of the throttle wear this becomes the slippery slope to a sheer cliff.
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    It was 18-19" last time I checked it back in early July. Little hard to check now as the carb is in many pieces but it was also running rich then.

    Got the rest of those notes handy??? (?) :)
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    The carb is in brand new shape- this is one of those carbs that the guy in Turkey was selling a few years back.

    When I get the new pump I'll reassemble & adjust everything with the floats at the the 1/2" setting- we'll see how that works.
     
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    Take a very close look at your accelerator pump diaphragm? Or just swap it for a new ethanol-resistant one.
     
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    PeteL

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    Not sure if they were from Turkey, but there were a bunch of YFs on the market about that time that had defective (porous) castings for the accelerator pump cover...
     
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    Jw60

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    Open the picture as a link and there is about 20pages in the album.... here is the album link.

    https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjA9jxK

    He also had an aluminum fixture for setting depths and such that came home bolted to my float cover. I'll get some pictures of that at some point in my life.
     
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    Glenn

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    I wonder if the rubber tip is porous?
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Could be, I have a new valve that's going in.
     
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