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Help With Truetrac For Full Floating Dana 44

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by C-dubb, Feb 15, 2024.

  1. Feb 15, 2024
    C-dubb

    C-dubb 1961 CJ5 restomod

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    I am currently converting my 2 piece Dana 44 to a full floating axle. I finally have gathered up all of the parts and thought that I was ready to assemble it but have run into a snag. The Eaton Detroit Truetrac that I have (part # 914A590) looks to be correct except for the ID of the carrier bearings are bigger than the ID of the original carrier. I am not sure if I need a different set of carrier bearings or if I have the wrong locker. I was just hoping one of you fellers have ran into this and could lead me in the right direction.
     
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    Jw60

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    Sounds like you have a 30 spline locker and 19spline housing (center casting and tubes)
    Unfortunately they are different but there might be a magic bearing to make it work.
     
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    C-dubb

    C-dubb 1961 CJ5 restomod

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    That is exactly what I have. I know guys smarter than me have done this but would really like to know what bearing they used.
     
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    Rich M.

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    It doesn't appear they make a 19spline Truetrac. You'll have to punt.
     
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    C-dubb

    C-dubb 1961 CJ5 restomod

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    I have 30 spline Truetrac and 30 spline axles. My only problem is finding carrier bearings to fit the Truetrac. I know it can be done just not sure what bearing to use.
     
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    Fireball

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    Any D44 30 spline carrier bearings will work. They had to increase the ID to accommodate the larger 30 spline axles. The outside diameter stayed the same.
     
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    Rich M.

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    Ah see that now my mind skipped after reading 2 piece. What Fireball said. Probably easiest to look up pn for the 72-75 centered flanged.
     
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    C-dubb

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    Thanks guys, I give that a try.
     
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    duffer

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    I suspect those bearings are the same used for the ARB 30 spline carriers for the older D44 housings.

    Check the dimensions on these: LM104949/LM104912
     
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    supertrooper

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    A diff install kit and bearings for a standard dana 44 30 spline carrier should work in the 19 spline housing. The stock r&p will fit the 30 spline carrier. The only other difference i can think of is if you do need new gears, then the pinion yoke would need to be replaced because the pinion spline count is different on newer gears.
     
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    C-dubb

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    I am reusing the R&P and have located a set of bearings. The only thing I have left to figure out is what size axle seal I need. The 30 spline case took inner seals but my 19 spline case is only machined for outer axle seals. Sooo I have to find a seal that fits into my housing and onto my new 30 spline axles. The joys of Jeeping. :bananatool:
     
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    duffer

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    Or you can use Seals-it axle tube seals. They do work. https://sealsit.com/product/economy-axle-seal/

    What you need is going to depend on the axle shafts. On my 3B project, I installed one pair just outside the carrier bearing caps and a second set bridges the inside of the spindles and the axle tube. Both axle seal surfaces were turned and polished. Some of that build is here: http://www.earlycj5.com/xf_cj5/index.php?threads/106011/page-9

    If your full float shafts are polished at the stock seal location, just get on SKF or National's web sites and look up the one that fits.
     
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    duffer

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    Which axle shafts are you using for this? Hopefully not Herm's 30 spline. I don't think Herm's versions are any stronger than the stock 19 spline with that built-in fail point at the root of the splines.
     
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    C-dubb

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    My shafts are polished but none of the seals are quite the right size. I will look into the Seal-it seals.
     
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    C-dubb

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    Unfortunately I am using Herms axles but should be ok. I am very light footed and have never broken a stock axle Even when I ran 36" tires.
     
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    timsresort

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    I always use (application-'73 K20) dana 44 front inner axle seals, but put them inside the outer tube, just inside the spindle.
     
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    Jw60

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    Do you by chance have a picture?
     
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    timsresort

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    No, I can't find one. Sorry about that.
     
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