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Head gaskets

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Worth, Apr 29, 2003.

  1. Apr 29, 2003
    Worth

    Worth Ex Farm Hand

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    Alright, I'm about ready to put the new head gaskets on and I read in the shop manual I'm supposed to spray them with "Perfect Seal Aerosol Spray Sealer. Is this still current? The new gaskets are coated in teflon. If I need to spray them with a sealer, what is the modern day equivalent?

    Also, two paragraphs down it says to lubricate the bolts with sealing compound. What should I use for that?

    Thanks.
     
  2. Apr 29, 2003
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    Prolly not.
    Whose gaskets are you using?
     
  3. Apr 29, 2003
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    I used uhh, the copper stuff on head gaskets.

    However, read the instructions with the GASKETS that's what to go by.
     
  4. Apr 29, 2003
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    My words exactly Sparky.
    BTW Copper coat is a GOD send.
     
  5. Apr 29, 2003
    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    If they're teflon coated, (like Fel-Pro), don't spray them with anything. I personally won't use anything but Fel-pro, especially on head gaskets.
     
  6. Apr 29, 2003
    Worth

    Worth Ex Farm Hand

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    Victor-Reinz, IIRC. Bought the head job kit at NAPA. I don't recall seeing any instructions in the box.
     
  7. Apr 29, 2003
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Now Worth, this is a family oriented Forum.

    Please be less descriptive with your purchases in the future for some of our younger readers. :rofl:
     
  8. Apr 29, 2003
    Worth

    Worth Ex Farm Hand

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    Man. I gotta be more careful. Please accept my humble apologies.
    :rofl: :rofl:
     
  9. Apr 29, 2003
    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Hmm, didn't know Napa sold those :rofl:
     
  10. Apr 29, 2003
    msbweiland

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    I wish my NAPA did! You should see their parts delivery girl :shock: :twisted: :oops: . I order each part seperately just to keep her coming back all day ;) . Just don't tell the boss lady :cry: .
     
  11. Apr 30, 2003
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    She look like the "Tool-Time girl"? :shock:
     
  12. Apr 30, 2003
    Hippo393

    Hippo393 Jeepless

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    Would the "sealing compound" that you're referring to be the equivalent of "loc-tite"? I'd be afraid of the permanence of it. In fact, I used bearing grease on the threads and deal with re-torquing as necessary.
     
  13. Apr 30, 2003
    Worth

    Worth Ex Farm Hand

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    A friend here at work said the same thing. I would think not. They're going to be tight enough as it is. I don't want to have too much trouble getting them out next time. I wonder if that sticky blue stuff I prep paper gaskets with would be good. I like your idea of using bearing grease.

    BTW, I checked last night. No instructions with the gaskets. I went to Victor-Reinz web site this morning and couldn't find any DIY instructions. I've never replaced head gaskets before but it seems like the coating of teflon that came on them would be enough.
     
  14. Apr 30, 2003
    ljspop

    ljspop Lurking Bronco Dude

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    Do the head bolts go through water passages? That is the case on small block fords (my only point of reference), and the ones that do need a little gasket sealer on them to prevent them from leaking. Don't know if that is the case for your engine - just a data point.

    Make sure all of your threads are in good shape - it makes a difference in torque-ing.

    Bob
     
  15. May 1, 2003
    Hippo393

    Hippo393 Jeepless

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    OMG good point. Take a small wire brush or wire weel to the threads to clean 'em up.

    Worth--the Jeep Bible (King & Worthy) makes no mention of using any sealer for the head gaskets, and they would have if it were required. Just says to study the old ones that were on there; consider having head machined; and that retorquing after 500 miles isn't necessary with the newer type gaskets.
    FYI. :beer:

    ljspop--Regarding water passages: Not on the V6, but yes for the L- and F-head.
     
  16. May 1, 2003
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    Not being a 225 Guy myself I am not sure if the bolts enter the water passages or not......with that said. If they do use non hardening permatex on them. Even if they don't apply a thin coat of oil on the "clean" bolts. The oil is for the torque spec. The "book" way is to replace the bolts and not reuse any of them do to strecthing. HTH
     
  17. May 1, 2003
    Worth

    Worth Ex Farm Hand

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    This forum rocks. I'll check for flatness to see if machining is necessary (hope not).

    Interestingly, the shop manual doesn't mention it for the heads but for the intake manifold it says to keep track of the bolts and make sure they go back in the original holes. I was planning on doing the same with the head bolts. With absolutely no basis, I'm always suspicious of the grade-8 bolts I buy at the local home centers. I don't know why. What would you do?
     
  18. May 1, 2003
    ljspop

    ljspop Lurking Bronco Dude

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    I've re-used head bolts with no ill effects. The head bolts I've seen are not standard looking grade 8 fare. Most have bigger heads. Here is a link to a Fiat page of all things, but it does have some useful info. It says head bolts are usually grade 10...

    http://www.fiatplus.com/tech1199.htm

    Running a tap in the block and a die over the bolt is the best way I know to ensure your threads are all good.

    Have fun! :beer:
     
  19. Dec 14, 2005
    Chuck

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    X2, I also dip the bolts in motor oil to help gain an accurate torque.
     
  20. Dec 14, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Permatex makes aircraft thread sealer, every bolt on my motor has it on it.
    Oiling bolts is not an accurate way of insuring the torque unless you lower the torque rating according to the manufactures specs. The lowered friction from oiling will actually stretch the bolt farther than its supposed to be.
     
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