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Air Intake ideas?

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by Hawk62cj5, Aug 31, 2005.

  1. Aug 31, 2005
    Hawk62cj5

    Hawk62cj5 Captain of OldSchool

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    Welp Im getting my plans together for this winters build so I can start looking for parts. Well I got to the engine compartment and started on engine upgrades and decided I wanted to do something about the Air intake. So I have 2 options that can be done a million diff ways. I can go the snorkle route and get great deep water crossing abilty and maybe less dust but add bulk and height to my jeep. Or I could Plum the intake to under the dash which would cut down on dust and gain a little better then stock deep water abilty but it would make it harder to change the filter and maybe increase noise in the engine compartment. Im leaning to the under dash intake. What are yalls thought? Have any of yall fabed your own , if so what did you use? pic? Im just tring to find the best way to build it, Im defantly going to move it somewhere. TIA
     
  2. Aug 31, 2005
    mb82

    mb82 I feel great!

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    Snorkle, with the way you like to drive into ponds you need all the deepwater fording ability you can get ;)
     
  3. Sep 1, 2005
    Mojave

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    My son fabbed up a snorkel setup for the CJ-6 this past weekend, using chain link gate post material and 1 1/2 inch fuel filler hose. He hasn't selected or plumbed the air box yet - probably will over the long weekend. I've run an inside intake on a Baja Bug, and man, was it loud! I vote for the snorkel if you want to listen to music inside your Jeep, and the inside mount, if you think a snorkel looks too hokie.

    BTW - He didn't want to hack up the original Tux Park hood for the snorkel outlet, so he "borrowed" the hood off of our idle M38A1.
     
  4. Sep 3, 2005
    Hawk62cj5

    Hawk62cj5 Captain of OldSchool

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    Thanks for the heads up Mojave. I cant hear my radio now R) but I dont think I could take much more noise. Im wondering if 1.5 hose is big enough for the intake , how big was the military snorkle . How is you son going to support his ,I go threw alot of wooded areas with mine and Im wondering how it would hold up to tree branches and vines hiting it. I dont want to support it off the window frame because I like to drive windshield down.
     
  5. Sep 3, 2005
    Chris Insull

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    Jason,
    Make it removable, easy to return to the "normal" setup. As far as where to mount it, how about to the forward cage hoop when you get it completed. Using PVC, it should be fairly easy. I know, over simplified... :rofl:
     
  6. Sep 3, 2005
    Hawk62cj5

    Hawk62cj5 Captain of OldSchool

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    Well Chris Simple is good :D thats why we like jeeps. Ive been here scetching drawings out all morning at work. I might do both , A normal under dash intake with snorkel setup attachable. I been diging around on the net for the tube size but with no luck, I dont want to feed my hurrican with a straw.
     
  7. Sep 3, 2005
    DanStew

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    Here is a write up of the snorkel i had on the bus before

    PARTS LIST
    8 foot of 2" PVC tubing. (black or white)
    One 90 degree elbow, white. (it has a coupler to mater to the 2' PVC, but the other end is the same size as the 2' PVC) One 90 degree elbow. (black or white)
    One 60 degree elbow. (black or white)
    Two Rubber Pipe Connector/Reducers. (2 inch to 1 1/2 inch reducer)
    1 1/2 diameter swimming pool hose.
    K&N filter #RV0680.
    U-Bolts. Threaded stud. Wing nuts. Stainless steel clamps. Angle brackets. PVC Cement. RTV sealant.
    My snorkel setup is different than most, since i did not have the original air cleaner for the engine. I had a 10 inch open element air filter.
    1. First start by taking off the air cleaner.
    2. Determine how to attach the White 90 degree elbow to the carb. The part of my application that made it succesfull for me was that my carb had a spacer plate on it that allowed me to snugly insert the white PVC elbow. If you are not lucky enough to have an adapter plate get a measurement carb diameter and search through the home improvement stores plumbing inventory and you should find something. A rubber connector is preffered, because you can stretch it and is is easier to clamp than hard PVC.
    3. Cut a 5' inch piece of the PVC pipe and insert the cut piece into the elbow and aim the opening towards the side of the jeep where the snorkel is to exit.
    4. Take off the Elbow and Drill a hole in the top of the 90 degree bend. This is where you will take the threaded stud from the carb up and through the elbow and wing nut, or bolt it tight.
    5. If you are like me and have an early style CJ5 hood, then you can take off the plate in the hood that was made for the snorkel. But most likely you don't have the luxury so you will have to cut the hood. Cut where there is enough of the outside fender surface to support the snorkel. Also the cut will be from the bottom up, because when finished the snorkel will be hard mounted to the fender and the hood will close over top of it.
    6. Take the Black 90 degree elbow and place it on the fender with one end into the engine compartment and the other pointing to the rear of the vehicle.
    7. Cut a 7' piece of PVC tube and insert it into the elbow opening that is toward the engine comparment.
    8. Position the elbow and tube to where you want it on the fender. Place the U-bolts over the pipe and mark where you will drill in the inner fender to mount the fender elbow assembly. Keep the U-bolts about 2 inches apart.
    9. Drill the holes.
    10. Take the U-bolts and loosely mount the PVC pipe to the inner fender. The U-bolts will have to be trimmed so that you don't stab the tires with them.
    11. Now it is time for the creative part. The rest of the snorkel will have to be measured based on the vehicle and where the hole in the hood was cut. Cut another piece of PVC and insert it to the elbow assembly on the fender. Then attach the 60 degree bend and run another piece to the windshield. You will have to decide on how high you want to have the filter. Watch out for the doors when they open and close. You might have to twist the assembly to position it.
    12. After you figure out where the snorkel will go then you can tighten the U-bolts.
    13. Take one of the reducers and place it on the PVC tube on thecarb assembly.
    14. Take the other Rubber reducer and place it on the fender elbow assembly.
    15. Take the rubber pool hose and bring it next the rubber reducers and measue how much you will need to attach it. Do not run the opening to the carb and the opening to the fender assembly straight to each other. Turn the carb assembly about 10 - 15 degrees towards the front of the engine. This will give you an arc in the path between the assemblies. This will allow the hose to flex with the motor. This is real important to have a little slack in this flexible hose, because the snorkel could break if the hose isn't allowed to flex.
    16. Cut the hose and insert it in the reducers. Then tighten.
    17. Place K&N filter on top of snorkel and tighten.
    18. You now have a snorkel. Welcome to the world of deep water.
    Of course you are not done yet. After you have everything together take the joints apart and use PVC cement on the elbow assemblies. Some people don't use any sealant, but i will suggest to seal everything that may be a potential leak. The PVC cement is hard stuff and you may never be able to take the pieces apart after it dries, but the price of all the PVC parts are far cheaper than rebuilding a hydrolocked engine. And remember to get the snorkel part positioned right so that when the cement dries it will be in the correct position.
    Other things I did not mention is to attach the snorkel to the windshield frame. I attached the snorkel to the KC light mount on my windshield frame. Attach it at least in two other places, this will keep the snorkel snug and prevent the trees from walking off with it when on the trail.
    This snorkel was applied to a 225 Buick V6 with the stock Rochester carb. Any larger engine may require larger diameter tubing.
    Dan Stewart
     
  8. Sep 3, 2005
    DanStew

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    unfortunately i do not have any pics of it on the motor., the snorkel has been destroyed in a freak fireworks accident... the mortor round decided to stay in the elbow of th esnorkel and consequently it exploded into a million pieces ;) Also it was installed on a V6 (rochester carb) so it may have to be modifyied a touch for an Fhead if you do it.
     
  9. Sep 3, 2005
    mb82

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    Jason I like Chris's idea of removeable. Maybe right at the hood? You know so you can play in the water then remove it when you are going down a tight trail. Or how about just having the intake be at the hight of the hood but outside? you know instead of going up so high keep it low? Just thinking outloud.
     
  10. Sep 3, 2005
    neptco19

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  11. Sep 5, 2005
    Mojave

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    My son was concerned about tree branches as well, so he mounted it inboard, using the hardtop door hinge brackets. We can't fold the WS down with the hardtop on anyway. I can shoot some pix today, and will post on my webspace tonight, in case anyone wants to see them.

    We have a bunch of M151 parts around, and I measured the intake hose on one of those as an example. It measures 2 1/4 going into the airbox (carb side), and 3 inches to the snorkel. As for sizing your own, just remember that your engine is basically just a big air pump, with air going in one end, and exhaust coming out the other. As long as your intake is as large or larger than your exhaust, you shouldn't be restricting the system too much. The filter will have a greater restricting effect than the intake diameter, unless you go crazy making it as small as possible.
     
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