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I am TIRED of being HOSED

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by DanStew, Sep 1, 2005.

  1. Sep 1, 2005
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    It seems that local shops like to charge outrageous prices for things First it was the machine work to thread a piece of metal. Now it is a pwoer steering hose needed custom made up. I paid $100.70 for this hose. I supplied the hard lines and the Oring fitting. I thoguht it would be simple. I wrote it up adn brought it to the shop. The first shop could add the hose but not the oring fitting. OK i goto the shop they suggest. They say they can do it. I give them all the measurements on paper. I just need 6 inches of hose to connect both hard lines and the oring fitting put on the one end. The shop ended up having to send it out to get it done since they only had AC hose nad it wouldnt hold up to the pressure. I didnt know it went out of shop till the guy called me and said it was done and it was going to be $118. I cringed, but realized it was custom but damn that hurts i was expecting about $60. For the $118 i was expecting them to have everything new. So i go to the shop to pay for the hose. I looked it ovr and said to the guy that the end with the O0ring looks to be lengthen from what i had . He said it wasnt. I sort of believe him and purchase it and go home. Once i got home i try to install it, nope no worky. too long as i suspected. I look at the way they set it up. The took my O-ring fitting and used a piece of tube that was with it and compression splices it to a male ot male adapter, and used the other new line and compression fitted it to the adapter. this added like 2 inches. I was expecting him to just use the threaded fitting and make a new rolled end in the new metal i provided. this would have ben the perfect size. Given i assumed they would do that as i told them, and unfortuanetly in my recourse tomorrow i do not have the paper with measurements that i provided, and i did not write down specifically that the length of that end should remain the same, but i told them i just wanted the threaded part on. Didnt realize they would jsut use that fitting and the old tube it was on. So right now i feel really ticked off and at the same time want to curl up in th efetal position sucking my thumb.

    Soo tomorrow i will go in and try to rectify the situation. The thing i can have them do is shorten the front and get all those dang compression fittings all the way to the first bend, if i get them to do that i can reuse this peice. if they cant then i am not sure what to do.

    I am thiknig bout getting a flare kit to make that fitting myself, but the ones in eastwood catalog only do up to 3/8 and that pressure side fitting is the next size larger. Is there a kit out there i can buy so i can make the flare for the oring fitting that is within a reasonable price. i could do the 200-maybe 300 for the kit but nothing over that, it is just not worth it.

    I tried to get this done right, the old fitting that was resued was from a CJ7 hose that i previously cut the metal bottom off to use, and i cannot find an application with a long stretch of tubing that i could take and reuse.

    Any other ideas of maybe making my own pressure line??
     
  2. Sep 1, 2005
    gte636p

    gte636p Member

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    $100.00... ouch. i had mine made up for 40.00 around here after being given a little bit of run around (and i didn't know enough to save the ends). i know how you feel though, when i had the hubs milled down on the disk conversion it woud ave been cheaper, and quicker, to just order new units with the flat already machined on, and i saw the tierods coming and just went ahead and ordered the tap myself... now i can make some new tie rods if i ever need to, but it makes me want to be able to hoard all sorts of equipment for a "just in case" senario.

    it should all be over soon though... right?
     
  3. Sep 1, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Dan I had the one on my jeep made for $42 (DOT approved) it has a flare fitting on one end and an o-ring fitting on the other and I supplied no parts just 2 cobbled up pieces of crap taped together to make a semblance of what it needed to look like, it came out perfect.
    I really feel for ya, you seem to have the worlds worst luck with that kinda stuff!!!!!!!!!!
     
  4. Sep 1, 2005
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    The last 2 times i had hoeses made (for th ecommando and the CJ) it ran me about $45. I still gave the bottom fitting because they didnt have any. This was at a hydrolic shop for trucks. This morning i stopped at the Godyear place that specializes in fittings and they didnt have the O-ring type. I am really getting bummed. This last palce was one of the last places for hoseses to be made. I am nto sure where they sent this one out to get made, i want to find out if they work for the general public and not companies. Is there any palce i can get these fittings and tubing to make my own? What size is the pressure line fitting? I know the return is 3/8 but what is th enext size up? Sucks because i had everything bent out perfectly the way i wanted it. And to think this place is a highly respected place locally. Tomorrow i go in to see what can be done for me.
     
  5. Sep 1, 2005
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    OK trying to think straight. I am going to the shop tomorrow and going to ask them to remove the adapter junk and properly flare the end for the threaded fitting. This is wht i wnated in the first place. If not and they wont do a think, i tell them off and have to go get some AN fittings.

    I was looking and found they make an oring fitting to #6 AN male end. So i can either remake the whoel hose, or i can get the Tubing to AN adapter. It looks like a crimp end.

    My question is does anyone know what the pressure max is for the tubing fitting adapter?
     
  6. Sep 1, 2005
    Project71-5

    Project71-5 BACON

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    Does your local NAPA make hoses? I've heard good things about the ones around here and the hoses they make.
     
  7. Sep 1, 2005
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    the Napas here dont do any that i know of. the one NAPA that used to do inhouse stuff doesnt anymore
     
  8. Sep 1, 2005
    Kodiak12060

    Kodiak12060 Sponsor

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    A traded recently for a complete working Braden Capstan Winch for a WWll jeep. There is a NOS one being sold for 4500 EU in Europe. The gent sent it not only USPS, I never use them as they are as technologically advanced and reliable as the WWl carrier pigeon flying the package over a war zone filled w/ birds of prey, but the genius didn't insure it! The linkage is missing and will cost me $1000 to replace. $100 is peanuts. Beat that!
     
  9. Sep 2, 2005
    80cj

    80cj Member

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    I was at a repair shop having my Jeep safety inspected and while there asked the owner what labor would cost to change the tranny fluid in my 2001 Chevy S10. He quoted me $45.00 so I made an appointment and took it in a couple days later. When I went to pick it up he billed me for $120.00 labor. I asked him what the hell was going on because he quoted me $45.00. His reply was that it took him longer than he had expected. I figure that's what I get for being too damned lazy to do it myself. One of these days he's going to wonder how in hell his truck got 4 flats all at the same time.
     
  10. Sep 2, 2005
    gte636p

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    just in case you need to get away from the o-ring style... my pump didn't work when i got everything put on and ready to go. of course, no one could get the replacement buick pump, but one good parts guy ased me what exactly i was doing. when i told him i didn't realy care what carit was from, but wanted a pump of that shape he went and go one out of stock for me. the fitting on the back, however, was not the o-ring style. it was the regular old AN style fitting. the same fitting the guy at the hydaulic place tld me was easy to get a hold of, instead of the O-ring style... overall it would have cut the price of my hose about half what it was.

    it might be a little late for you, but i learned the hard way that there are "better" fittings on the back of the pump to be had. just because everyone does the o-ring style fitting doesn't mean you should get it (unless you already have it).
     
  11. Sep 2, 2005
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    only the gear boxis the o ring style. the pump is the flare style. that fortunately is not the problem. main issue is the clearance in the front with the hose hitting the grill. :(
     
  12. Sep 2, 2005
    BlueFlu

    BlueFlu past owner of some ecj5's

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    Dan is there space to make a S or loop in the hose to shorten it up some?
    I feel for you.
    Y'all need to leave FL and move up this way.
    It'd be cheaper in the long run. ;)
     
  13. Sep 2, 2005
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    Nope no "S" the length they added that oring end and all those compression fittings and adapter that it added length there and no way to shorten that by bending. That is the critical part, it has to go up a certain amount then bend 90 to clear the grill bottom. i hoguht bout trimming it, but just do not want to, if it was done right it would have cleared.

    I hear ya, it is getting ridiculous around here for things.
     
  14. Sep 2, 2005
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    I hear ya on how much things cost... and it's just gonna get worse :rofl:

    $100 is one thing... but $100 and WRONG is something else!!
    Don't cut the grille. One shop or the other needs to make this right.
    Take no prisoners.
     
  15. Sep 2, 2005
    Dummy

    Dummy I kick hippies

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    Bummer. What I saw in the photos is just plain unacceptable. They're hell and gone from where you are, but if you're having no luck locally try contacting Orme Brothers at http://www.ormebrothers.com/. They are absolutely top notch when it comes to this stuff and will do mail order. Just send them a coat hanger bent up in the right shape and tell them what ends you need and they'll get it right the first time. I'd get my money back for that hacked pile of hose if possible. Good luck.
     
  16. Sep 2, 2005
    Boyink

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    :rofl: I hate to hear this...have noticed lately when we've had work done here locally that the bill was always a few bucks less than the quote. I don't know if that was by design or not, but it was nice to go in all prepared for a number then walk out paying less.

    I can't count the number of times I've eaten work to stay within the quote - I figure in most cases if I go over it's my own dang fault and should quote better next time. Hoping that the long-term benefits outweigh the immediate....
     
  17. Sep 2, 2005
    TheBeav1955

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    I don't think a NAPA will be able to produce the hose you would need. Hydrolic hoses with JIC connections yes but with your needs any thing we would makeup would be a cobble job as well. But now where near $100. I would guess about 30 to 40 for what I saw of the hose you were sent.
     
  18. Sep 2, 2005
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    Well i went to the shop this morning and talekd to them. A guy took the hose went back adn actually brazed the piecs together to shotern it up. They cant make a Oring flare for some reason. Gonna try it out tonight, if it works great. if not i am done with them and will spend the $50 more for the high pressure hose AN ends and adapters and make it myself. I was impressed thoguh the oen guy went and actually brazed it all together, so he did try. I jsut wish they wouldhave said they cannot make those falres, and then i would have gone elsewhere.
     
  19. Sep 2, 2005
    OrangeCJ5

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    Dan,

    There is a place out here called Evco House of Hose in Salt Lake City and they made the hoses for my Power Steering conversion while I sat there and watched. I even brought in the fittings I had but they didn't need them. They specialize in hydraulic hoses so power steering hoses are no problem for them. Their number is (801) 487-5721. I had to have 2 hoses made and I think it was like $50 for both...
     
  20. Sep 2, 2005
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    Hoser

    Hydraulic Supply Co
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