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Jeep Won't Turn Off

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by 69 SUV, Mar 5, 2006.

  1. Mar 5, 2006
    69 SUV

    69 SUV New Member

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    Just finished wiring my 69 CJ-5, 231 Odd Fire w/ HEI. After starting it and letting it warm up I turned it off and to my suprise nothing happened. I was thinking that the wire from the ignition switch that goes to the HEI distributor labeled bat. would cause the engine to shut off. I checked this wire with a volt meter and I get 12V with key on and OV with it off.

    Questions:
    1. Should this wire going to the distributor cause the engine to shut off when key in off position and 0V present?
    2. Does a diagram exist for the ignition switch so I can double check my connections? ( I did search and checked tech section)
    3. Anybody got any other suggestions/ideas of what I did wrong?
     
  2. Mar 5, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    The diagram here: http://www.earlycj5.com/tech/electrical/index.shtml isn't helpful?

    That wire going to the "bat" on the HEI should be what 12 or 14 gauge wire? That's not coming from the ignition switch right? You're not running all that juice through the ignition switch, it's got to come from a "switched" source that only got 12V when the key is in the "start" or "run" position. Clear as mud?
     
  3. Mar 5, 2006
    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Double check the circuit from the alternater to the ign. switch also..
     
  4. Mar 5, 2006
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    what Patrick said
    feedback from alternator
    to check, with engine running, turn switch off
    if still running, unplug alternator
    if engine dies, feedback problem
     
  5. Mar 5, 2006
    69 SUV

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    Patrick - I was wondering about the alternator wiring also. I have a GM alternator. It has a plug at the top with a red and white wire coming out of it I ran the red wire to the Battery post where there is also a wire coming directly from the battery to it. The white wire is hooked to a wire coming from the new fuse panel and labeled 'alternator excitor'.

    Does anybody know what is supposed to cause the engine to shut off? Is it the wire coming from the ignition switch that is 12v switched and goes to the HEI or something else?
     
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    69 SUV

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    jpflat2a- That's actually how I turned it off. I unplugged the wire at the top of the alternator (red and white wire).
     
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    69 SUV

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    Sparky- The wire going to the HEI is 12v when switch in 'run' position and Ov when in 'off' position. Is this what is supposed to the motor off?
     
  8. Mar 5, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    That sounds right, see Jim and Patrick's posts, sounds like feeback through the alternator.
     
  9. Mar 5, 2006
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    if it's an internal reg Delco (3 wire), then you have to install the jumper wire (exciter) between the bat lug terminal and terminal #2 on the back of the alt
     
  10. Mar 5, 2006
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    sounds like your alt wiring is not quite right
     
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    69 SUV

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    jpflat2a- It is an internal reg Delco (3 wire). Plug @ top of alternator has red and white wire coming from plug.

    Red wire - #2 goes to Bat. post on back of alternator.
    White wire - #1 goes to fuse panel labeled alternator excitor
     
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    69 SUV

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    Does anybody know the answer to the question what causes the engine to shut off? Is the switched 12v going to the HEI module?
     
  13. Mar 6, 2006
    181jeep

    181jeep Banned

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    hook the keyed wire from the alternator to the acc. post instead of the ignition on post.

    JB
     
  14. Mar 6, 2006
    Cal

    Cal New Member

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    If you have the Alt. light hooked up you need a diode in the wire from the alt. to the light to prevent feedback.
     
  15. Mar 6, 2006
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    This is hopw my system was hooked up when I still had the original wiring harness. When I went to the EZ-wire I no longer needed it.
     
  16. Mar 6, 2006
    hudsonhawk

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    Put a high power diode in the exciter line. The feed back is coming back through it. What is happening is that you are energizing the ignition circuit through that line. You can get them cheap at Rack Shack and solder it inline.
     
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    Mark Mann

    Mark Mann Kermit

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    Need to speak to Strider380...R)

    (I couln't resist)

    MM
     
  18. Mar 6, 2006
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Yes - 0V at the hot wire to the HEI is what turns the motor off. You need to make sure it's not getting the feedback as others are stating.
     
  19. Mar 7, 2006
    69 SUV

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    Just wanted to close this thread out. The diode did the trick. Thanks to all who helped.
     
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