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Dana20 Problems

Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by mrunnell, Jun 7, 2006.

  1. Jun 7, 2006
    mrunnell

    mrunnell Member

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    I have a 73 CJ5 with the dana 20 TC. It is single stick. There is play in shifter and does not follow a straight line pattern. It seens as I can engage it on the right side and the left side the shifter will just flail about. I am sure that I have the Dana 20 but cannont figure it out. I dont know if this is a common problem or not. any ideas?
     
  2. Jun 7, 2006
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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  3. Jun 8, 2006
    Mugzilla

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    I have an extra t-14/d20 in the garage in Canfield, Ohio. Come and get it for $20.
     
  4. Jun 8, 2006
    mrunnell

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    The diagram I think will help out, but I will probably go with twin stick just because I can. Thanks Mugzilla, but I am making a 5 hour haul this weekend to pick up a frame and cant swing another 6 hour trip. thanks though.
     
  5. Jun 9, 2006
    mrunnell

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    The diagram actually wanst helpful. I have taken apart the linkage now and have yet to diagnose the problem. If the shift pattern is a stright line why can I move mine from left to right at time as well. There is a notch where the shifting lever slides into and it can be taken out of it as well and the is disconnected from everything. hopefully someone on here has seen something like this before
     
  6. Jun 10, 2006
    DanStew

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    i have a shifter from a dana 20 you can have. It is used but worked when i had it. i just went to twin stick because i had a truck dana 20 and the shifter is for a CJ
     
  7. Jun 10, 2006
    timgr

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    The shifter parts diagram that Jim posted is correct for a stock 1973 CJ-5. If yours is different, then it's not stock. There was also the so-called "U" shifter for the 20, used in Jeepsters, trucks and wagons, that could have been swapped in. Or, it could be custom. Post up some pictures and maybe we can comment further.
     
  8. Jun 10, 2006
    mrunnell

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    I took some picture this morning. I drew aarows to the shifter lever where I was talking about the slop. Hope someone can make something of it. sorry about the link but it seems as though my pictures are too big for this site. I will have to get that worked out.

    http://photos.yahoo.com/runnellsm
     
  9. Jun 10, 2006
    timgr

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    That looks like a Commando shifter, not a CJ-5 shifter, if that. It would be easier to tell if the picture weren't so close-in. I presume you are referring to the shifter and not the rails or fork inside the case.

    Do you have the factory manual? There's a good description of the shifter there. The '72 manual is online here - slow link, and the '72 has some minor differences from the '73, but the transfer case is the same. http://www.c104.net/manual/Section_08.pdf
     
  10. Jun 10, 2006
    DanStew

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    Yup definately a commando shifter. Clea nthe heck out of it. the main problem with the jeepster shifters is that gunk gets in that little box and it is very difficult to shift.
     
  11. Jun 11, 2006
    mrunnell

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    Thanks for all the help. I was told by the PO that it was a dana 20 and it seemed to look like the research I did. I am beginning to think that this is not a desireable TC and am thinking about a swap. Is the dana 20 the way to go and will it bolt up to my tranny, t14 i believe, without any fabrications. And are there any other options for direct bolt on that would be good?thanks again
     
  12. Jun 11, 2006
    DanStew

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    It is still a dana 20 that you have. It is just a jeepster version. Which is much the same, only differnce is the shifter is a differnt variety. I would keep it. You can get the twin stick for it and it should be fine. Just make sure the twin stick can be used with the tcase. The differnce between the truck and jeepster Tcse compared to the CJ is the output housing has the shift rod bosses not in even lengths, compared to the CJ that is both the same size. I do not see why any twin stickk wont work because the twin stick just moves each rod individually. Anyway, dont fret, the case you have is good.
     
  13. Jun 13, 2006
    mrunnell

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    Do they make twin stick conversion kits for my setup? I do not like the jeepster setup at all. Is the case and gears all the same, the only diff is the shifter linkage?
     
  14. Jun 13, 2006
    nickmil

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    The shifter linkage, front output housing, and shift rails are different. The rest are pretty much the same. There are I believe two sets of gears available for the 20 from the factory but they have the same low and high range. The pitch on the gear teeth are different. As long as you have one gear # the rest can be matched using the chart Novak has on their web site. You must also match the bull gear (transfer case input gear) to the transmission you have due to spline count differences and match to the transfer case for the above-mentioned reason. There were a couple different spline count of bull gear available depending on whether Auto trans, T-14 which was 10 spline, or all other tranny's which were 6 spline. Nickmil
     
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