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Shackle Reversal experiences???

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by DanStew, Sep 25, 2003.

  1. Sep 25, 2003
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    Well since it rained today i didnt get my wrangelr springs installed, but i sat there and shot the bull with my buddy, he mentioned out of the blue that i should do the shackle reversal on it since i am repalcing the spring mounts. Is it worth it for the shackle reversal i weighed th epros and cons before, and never really thought bout doing it, but since i have the chance is it really worth it?? I am looking for a mor comfortable ride, awill this make it comfortable?? That is the mai nreason for te spring conversion in the first place, so i am trying to milk it as much as i can. I am planning on exteending the wheelbase a tad so that i can get longer driveshafts, and a better ride. So all those with a shackle reversal, do you like it? Why did you do it??
     
  2. Sep 26, 2003
    Posimoto

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    There's good and bad with the shackle rev. It's awesome on the trail. Really sucks up the bumps. It doesn't do much for you on the road though. You'll notice that the front end dips a lot more when you hit the binders. If your jeep is for real wheelin' then I'd recommend doing it now. Offroad handling is much improved. Are you doing a spring over? Right now I have 4" Skyjacker springs w/ the shackle rev. This winter I'm going to Wrangler springs and a spring over.
     
  3. Sep 26, 2003
    4S50

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    I went through the same self-debate when I had my frame built and decided against it after getting feedback on this board. But I am still not sure that I should not have tried it :rofl:
     
  4. Sep 26, 2003
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    The Jeep is for more trail riding, but it does see its share of the road at times, but i dont drive it like a stock car, so the dipping when stopping probably wont bother me much. I am doing the wrangler spring conversion in a spring over. So if it helps with the bumps offroad, then i will probably go ahead and do it. I am trying my best to get the jeep to soak up the bumps on washboard roads, and bumpy trails. I know it is a jeep and it wont be a cush ride, but right now my teeth are rattling out of my head when we ride, so i know th ewrangler springs alone will make life easier, but if the reversal will add to that , then i am all for it.

    Thanks!!!
     
  5. Sep 26, 2003
    Posimoto

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    Check out http://www.mountainoffroad.com/ for more info on the shackle rev. Go to cataloge and then shackle reversal. They have some good info re: the whys and wherefors and howtos. Maintaining proper castor angle on the front axle is very important. Doing this conversion will reaLLY inprove the washboard road ride and you'll get rid of that wandering all over the road feeling you get with stock setup.
     
  6. Sep 26, 2003
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    HHHMMMMM.. I may not do it now. I was thinking i would have needed a long sliding drvieshaft, and the mounts I have would have to be rethought of because they wouldnt mount the spring as far out is a can. I wonder how much comfort i would have with just the wrangelr springs? Well I have till tomorrow to think bout this :(

    Thanks for that site, it didnt clear some things up.
     
  7. Sep 26, 2003
    4S50

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    Dan, my Jeep rides better with no shackle reversal and CJ7 springs, (which are 2 1/2" wrangler springs in the rear and 2" springs in the front), and even with the new ridgid frame it rides great.
     
  8. Sep 26, 2003
    DanStew

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    Is it a comfy better? or just better than what the 5 springs were?? I know the lift springs i got were better than the sotck springs, but then after a while we still knew that it wasnt a pleasant jeeping experience. Worst thing is washboards for me, we ride in this one area with alot of washboard roads and it was HELL... everything was rattling loose, it was very bad, And corssing ruts are very bad for me, especially3 weeks ago when i went riding last, we had to try and catch up with these people to tell them we were missing some jeepers, and i tried to speed up, but was killing ourselves with the bumps. Total nerve racking. I know the wranlger springs are a 110% improvement, but to tell you the truth i do not remember the ride of a YJ (given my stepdad has a stock one and i should drive his to see) But if you are comfy with your on the trail then i should be OK. It is going to be done one way or another, and looking how i will need a bit longer slide shaft in teh front driveshaft, it means i may have to go with the regular setup. Unoless my buddy has a longer slide shaft in his barn of parts. I was going to use a later CJ5 front shaft because they should be a bit longer than the early 5, so i (in theory) could compensate for the spring over. For the rear shaft i am going to shorten a waggie drive shaft i have... and probably have to make a spare shaft for me since i am going to Tellico... and Murphys law dictates i will bust aonther drive shaft when up there. :(
     
  9. Sep 26, 2003
    4S50

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    Dan, I don't know that I would call it a comfy better. Washboard is still crummy.
    I have a friend with a 68 CJ5 that went with stock wrangler springs, shackle reversal, sprung under. After the first drive with it he had to add a sway bar, he said it was real spooky in turns. He also had to fab some long shackles to get the geometry right. It is comfy soft, but he hates it, claiming it is too soft. I think he is going to try some wrangler lift springs and see if that helps, but he said that he would not recommend it and would not do it again.
    When he was trying to pull me out a mudhole I was watching his rear springs flex into an "S", seemed way too soft to me and he definetly needs some kind of traction bar to control that spring wrap.
     
  10. Sep 26, 2003
    vanguard

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    Sheese, if you really want a fluffy ride go get yourself an escalade! :rofl:
     
  11. Sep 26, 2003
    Jeepnut67

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    ..and if you do a SOA you'll multiply that many times over....

    My 67 is on standard design 2.5" lift springs with basic monroe shocks that are stock design but longer to make room for the lift and I have an almost cushy ride, washboards are no problem at all, and even the bone jarring ruts that cross the road arent too bad at all. I get in my fathers Jeep with KYB shocks and stock height new springs and about lose my dentures. I do know part of it is the fact that I run 33x12.50's with 8 psi in them, but even with higher pressure it isnt as bad as some Jeeps I've ridden in/driven.

    I havent really been sold on the shackle reversal... I figure Jeep must have had a good reason to flip them to where they are now many years ago.

    Dave

    Edit : I dont have a sway bar and it actually corners flat. Very little if any body roll.
     
  12. Sep 26, 2003
    DanStew

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    Thanks Guys!!! I am going to get another set of 5 leaf springs to help stiffen a touch. the perches i got are teh antiwrap type but i will look into track bars after i get used to the jeep. I drove the commando and know about te swaying, i can get used to it, wasnt that bad for me, i do not drive the jeep daily and i do not drive fast either :(

    But i undestand everything you guys are saying. I am thinking bout using XJ cherokee rear leaves in te CJ. they are longer and offset on the mounting pin, so i may be able to get the longer springs with more flex and comfort. a buddy of mine installed a lift and is getting rid of them, so i am getting htem and will seee if they will fit.
     
  13. Oct 25, 2005
    TexColorado

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    I was doing a search on the shackle reverse kits for CJ's so that is why this thread is so old...

    I have stock springs (spring over) and I am going to go with the Warrior shackle reversal kit. I will also update the old springs with the Rancho factory springs. I think I will have to remove a few leaves to get the front to sit level since I don't need anymore lift than what I have now.

    Currently with the spring over, I ride on 33's with the stock springs. I am not looking for the absolute in pleasant drives but I would like more control. My Jeep sees quite a bit of freeway time going over the pass to Sacramento which is the main reason behind my proposed swap.

    I have read all the pros and cons regarding these SR kits which has only reinforced my decision. I will post results in a few weeks when completed.

    Thanks for everyones help.
     
  14. Oct 25, 2005
    Patrick

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    My dad used the warrior with great results.......
     
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