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Pic's Of Herm's Saginaw Conversion With Manual Reverse Rotation Box

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by scarecrow, Jun 3, 2008.

  1. Jun 3, 2008
    scarecrow

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    Ground down frame some, small notch in front cross member, 3/4” spacer under spring perch & adjusted drivers steering stop out 1/8”. Plan to use Herm’s steering shaft & stock Jeep column kit. Will post pic’s when I get to that point
     
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  2. Jun 3, 2008
    scarecrow

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    few more
     
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  3. Jun 3, 2008
    scarecrow

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    last 2
     
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  4. Jun 3, 2008
    1960willyscj5

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    Beautiful photography!

    That is a manual box? Nice.
     
  5. Jun 3, 2008
    scarecrow

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    Yes, it's a manual box. Ford reverse rotation, I like things simple. Forum members always need pic's. Just want to be helpful:)
     
  6. Jun 6, 2008
    Herm

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    I assume that the reason Mark had to put a spacwer under the front differential os because occasionally when the spring pads are welded to the housings , they are not in a correct position and don't allow enough clearance between the tie rod and the spring. By raising the differential up it will clear. I appreciate Mark doing the pictures and the install since I don't have a flattie. I wouldn't fit in one very well. Great pictures by the way Mark Herm
     
  7. Jun 6, 2008
    1960willyscj5

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    Flipping the tie-rods to the top would take care of that problem.
    Look at Grannycj's photos
     
  8. Jun 6, 2008
    StraightToPlaid

    StraightToPlaid Ludicrous speed!!!!

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    dohc281

    dohc281 It is what it is.

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  10. Jul 15, 2008
    RK1956

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    Scarecrow, I'm hoping you or someone else with experience using Herm's tie rods and tie rod ends can help me out. I plan to change out the stock Ross in my 1956 wagon and don't quite understand how to measure for the tie rods. What I have done is measure the actual length of the lower (long) rod with the stock tie rod ends showing about 1/2" of thread exposure, then shorten this measurement by 1.5" to allow for the jam nuts that each take 3/4". On the upper arm I temporarily mounted the manual saginaw box to the frame, set the pitman at the mid-point of range of travel then measured to the point directly vertical from the passenger side existing tie rod mount. This measure is 33 1/2" but am thinking this is too long due to the double tie rod end Herm uses in his kit. How am I going wrong on this or can someone help me so I can give Herm the right meaurement.

    Thx. RK1956
     
  11. Jul 15, 2008
    RVSwisher

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    Looking at this, the stearing box is in behind the front cross member. I don't think I have ever seen a conversion like this. I really like this idea as it eliminates the problem of the steering shaft going through the front cross member.

    Could you do a tie rod end swap at the same time and eliminate the issues with hitting the springs?

    Thanks

    :)
     
  12. Jul 15, 2008
    windyhill

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    I'm runing working on istaling herms kit in my 57 cj6 and runing it with stock :v6: mounts and a dana30. I had problems with the short tirod acctualy being overtop of the long tie rod at ful turn. I also did a tie rod flip but had to put it back to the bottom because the tie rods where actually hiting each other. I also had to cut into my cross member and slide the box forward as far as possable. Also to run stock :v6: manifolds (rear dump) I'll will probably end up runing a third u jount on my steering shaft. The steering box has about a 1/4" of crearance with the fan blades. I will probably be taking a little off the mounting bushings on herms bracket 1/4" or so and might have to move my motor over a 1/2 as well.
     
  13. Jul 15, 2008
    jpflat2a

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    will this side by side comparison photo help with your measurements ?
     
  14. Jul 15, 2008
    scarecrow

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    I had the same problem with the tie rod & drag link hitting each other. And I could not mount the drag link from behind as sugested by Herm because it interfered with the steering knuckle. I notched the from cross member in order to move the steering box forward & make the drag link & tie parralel to each other with no interference. To Herms credit & my stupidity, he informed me that their is plenty of meat on the steering box mount itself & I could have ground that down instead of notching the frame member. He also offered to to do it for me. As for motor clearance, I have not gotten that far & I plan to run headers instead of stock manifolds.
     
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  15. Jul 17, 2008
    RVSwisher

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    Scarecrow,

    Were did you find your manual reverse steering box? Reading Herm's site, it doesn't sound like you can purchase a reconditioned from NAPA.

    Did you purchase or find in a scrape yard?

    Thanks
     
  16. Jul 17, 2008
    scarecrow

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    Very common box check Herm's sight. Gives a listing of Ford & Mazda vehicles that use it. I don't remeber where I bought it, just used a company I found doing a Web search for steering boxes. Mine is new not a reman. Cost was about $225
     
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  17. Aug 26, 2009
    davistroy

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    Windyhill, can you post any pics of your steering setup? A lot of the pics are gone out of this thread.

    Thanks.
     
  18. Aug 29, 2009
    Ranger

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    Okay, so I can't see any pics posted on this thread. Are they missing, or is there something wrong on my end?

    Ranger:hurrican:
     
  19. Aug 29, 2009
    Patrick

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    Attachments were lost when the site was hacked a couple months ago.
     
  20. Aug 30, 2009
    Ranger

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    Thanks. I hadn't noticed that this string had started prior to the hacking. My mistake.:beer:
     
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