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Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by hudsonhawk, Nov 10, 2005.

  1. Nov 13, 2005
    jd7

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    So how much if any alterations did you have to do to the case? What year model 20 did you use?
     
  2. Nov 13, 2005
    hudsonhawk

    hudsonhawk Well-Known Member

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    Its a 72 Dana 20. There was quite a bit of grinding required to clear the new gears. It is not just the ridge that the instructions tell you to remove. A good small hand held grinder is a must. A dremal will not do the trick.
     
  3. Nov 14, 2005
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Last time I checked, I could get a 3.15 Tera kit (for a D18) for $535 delivered... that was the best price I could find. I know the pricing is a bit different for the D20, but check these two sources, probably the best prices around:

    http://www.dc4wd.com/
    (You'll have to call for price)

    Also, Bob Supplee:
    (405)799-8977

    When last I checked, Bob was a bit higher than DC, but still way below the big-catalog prices.

    I looked long and hard at the 3.15 kit. I already have the 6.32 T18, and the 2.46 D18... with 3.73s that puts me at about 59:1. For the areas/terrain where I do my trail riding, I can't think of an occasion where I needed a lower gear than what I have with my 1st/low combination... so I opted to just rebuild my tcase and not install the Tera kit.
    Of course, YMMV... ;)

    HTH!!
     
  4. Nov 14, 2005
    xlr8n

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  5. Nov 14, 2005
    Boyink

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    Lynn - do you feel like there's a "hole" between 2nd and third on the T18? When I had SSDutch in the dunes I kept wishing for an OD to split-shift between those two with. Moving to low range 3rd and 4th got really noisy...
     
  6. Nov 14, 2005
    hudsonhawk

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    Here is the comparison I made.

    Stock= T-18A w/ stock Dana 20 and 4.56 gears.
    Tera Low = T-18A, Dana 20 with Tera-Low and 4.56 gears.

    [​IMG]

    And this is what the gears are:

    Stock

    1 low 58.502976
    2 low/1 hi 28.8192
    3 low/2 hi 15.643992
    4 low/3 high 9.2568
    4 High 4.56

    Terra Low

    1 low 90.78048
    2 low 44.38476
    1 high 28.8192
    3 low 24.27516
    4 low/2 hi 14.0904
    3 high 7.7064
    4 high 4.56
     
  7. Nov 14, 2005
    willysnut

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    Novak has a short shaft kit for the T-18A wide ratio (6.32 1st) no kit for the T-18B 4.02 1st. Kit number is T18-ISK price? Don't know.

    Duh checked out the link lots of good info and parts avail there. Bookmarked it.
     
  8. Nov 14, 2005
    timgr

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    How does the 4.02:1 transmission relate to the topic?

    I believe the 4.02:1 1st (close ratio) T-18 was only available in the 71-75 (76?) CJ and Commando vehicles. The input shaft from those transmissions is a little longer than from the Ford T-18, since an adapter plate was used to mate the CR T-18 to the T-15 bellhousing.

    You can get a 4.02:1 T-19 from a Ford truck - that should have the short shaft. Novak has an adapter for the T-19.
     
  9. Nov 14, 2005
    xlr8n

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    I picked up a wide ratio T-18A (6.32:1 1st gear) that came from a '77 J10 but the input shaft is WAY too long. As I learn more about adapting this tranny to my stock '75 CJ5 (304CID w/ T15 tranny), it appears that I need a '76 - 86 CJ bellhousing along with the clutch fork. Plus a '76 - '79 clutch plate.

    I realize this a little off topic but noticed Hudsonhawk also has a T-18A and thought he might know where to get the parts to make it fit into my '75.
     
  10. Nov 15, 2005
    hudsonhawk

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    My T-18a came out of a 78 J-series truck. You can use the bell housing from a t-150 or 1-176 tranny. Both will have to be drilled for one bolt. Tap the hole and run a long bolt through it from the inside. then use a washer and nut on the outside to mount the tranny.

    I used the stock clutch plate from my 72 w/a throw-out bearing and clutch fork to match the bell housing. 1000 miles and the clutch is working great. Make sure you get the special pilot bearing. I also used the '72 flywheel on the '83 258 as that engine did not have a flywheel when I picked it up.
     
  11. Nov 15, 2005
    BlueFlu

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    I'll be putting the 3.15 kit in the D18 in the 5.
    That with 5.38s it should crawl well.
     
  12. Nov 15, 2005
    cam saure

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    I've been doing a bit of research on the subject; off the top of my head, anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong on anything,
    :The 76 up bell housing is approx 1 in shorter then earlier bell housing (this could be good for rear driveshaft length as 4 spd is longer then 3 spd) earlier bell housing doesn't appear to have enough "meat" for the 4 spd bolt pattern.
    :input shaft could be sent to Moser Engineering to be shortened/ remachined, about $80-90. You need to send a sample shaft for length, diam,splinecount etc. (this could be from a 3 spd that fits clutch/bellhousing.)
    :You need to be aware of the bearing retainer also, offhand I don't know what type the J-10 tranny has. A regular cj retainer could be swapped in or maybe the J-10 retainer shortened. Be aware that you need t/o brg travel rearward towards tranny. This is area you need to watch.
    :You could also buy and swap in new input shaft/retainer etc.
    Anyone feel free to add or correct anything I have stated, You need to do some of your own research, use these suggestions as starting point. Be sure and post what you discover along the way. I do not intend to hijack, just add to. Good luck.
     
  13. Nov 15, 2005
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Mike, I occasionally see the hole you describe. As we travel down the woods trails between locations/obstacles, I'm normally in 2nd or 3rd low range, depending on the terrain. If I had a gear in between, I'd probably never need to shift on the main trails!! :D
     
  14. Nov 15, 2005
    xlr8n

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    Thanks for all the info. I think I now know what I need... now to find it all at a decent price. Once I get it all together I'll post all the variables in a new thread so others attempting this will have options at their fingertips.

    Thanks again,
    Bryan
     
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