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215/198 buick engine picks needed

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by termin8ed, Dec 20, 2005.

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  1. Dec 20, 2005
    termin8ed

    termin8ed I didn't do it Staff Member

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    Allright, I figured out how that alt bracket goes on sparky. Problem was I was using the timing cover from my 198 and it has the oil filter sticking up higher. I have a cover from a 215 that has the filter at a lower angle so its not in the way of the bracket. Now, the water pump outlet is also in the way. Wondering if there are a couple different verions of this or what.

    Sparky, Linceil, Warloch, anyone else... can any of you guys post some pics of the front of the engine, specifically the timing cover around the oil filter, and the water pump? Linc, I know you said you needed a different alt bracket to make things work. I won't be able to place the engine for awhile to find out how it works so I'm trying to figure out in advance what I need to do.

    Gotta get to work in a few minutes, but I'll post a pic tomarrow of what I have too.

    Thanks.8)
     
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  2. Dec 20, 2005
    linckeil

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    i have both engines at my parent's place. i won't be able to get you the pics until after Christmas. what exactly do you need a pic of and from which motor?
    the alt bracket from the 215 and 198 are different. they are not interchangable. i have both brackets. the reason i cannot use the alt bracket on my 215 is because it mounts the alternator low on the motor, which interferes with the passenger frame rail in my jeep. this is why i gotta fab up my own bracket.

    here's a shot of a 215 with the alt on it. (not my motor - it is a pic i recieved from someone on a buick forum when trying to locate a 215 alt bracket)
     
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  3. Dec 20, 2005
    Rondog

    Rondog just hangin' out

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    Um, is a 215 a V8? I see four spark plugs on this side?
     
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    jd7

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    yup
     
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    w3srl

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    Aluminum, to boot! :twisted:
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Oil filter in the way?

    If so send me a PM. I have a fix for that on the 198. ;)
     
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    Rondog

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    Huh. I thought it would be part of the V6 family, as in 198, 215, 225, etc. Shows ya what I know....
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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  9. Dec 21, 2005
    termin8ed

    termin8ed I didn't do it Staff Member

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    Ok, the first 2 pics should be of the engine with and without the alt bracket I have. The bracket is off a 198, kinda looks like the bracket in your pic Linc. The first 2 pics show the oil filter in the way and the water pump how it hits the bracket. That timing cover is off my 198. identical except for the oil filter location.

    The 3rd is on the 215 timing cover with the oil filter down and out of the way. water pump still hits the bracket.

    Can you guys tell If I have the bracket mounted in the wrong holes, or is there a different water pump with a higher outlet? The 3rd hole lines up with the cyl head also.

    Might just have to see about modifying a 225 alt bracket to fit sounds like...
     
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  10. Dec 21, 2005
    termin8ed

    termin8ed I didn't do it Staff Member

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    pic
     
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  11. Dec 21, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Brian from the look of your pictures I would use the alternator bracket from a 225. It looks like it would fit and it would keep the oil filter area free of crap.
     
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  12. Dec 21, 2005
    termin8ed

    termin8ed I didn't do it Staff Member

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    Thats what I'm starting to think Mike. I have an extra I got from Dan at tellico that had one ear busted off. I used that awhile back and it almost lines up if I remember right. got 2 holes to line up but the 3rd didn't. I'll have to get that back out and see how far/close it is and see if I can ream out a hole on it.
    Thinking that cover with the oil filter further down will be in harms way also.

    The heads I got are Old's. THe Buick heads don't have the holes drilled in them like these do on the fronts.
     
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  13. Dec 21, 2005
    linckeil

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    i was going to say those do not look like buick heads. i didn't know the olds heads had those holes drilled in them, i thought only once rover bought the motor from buick that the threaded holes in the heads showed up. are you 100% sure those are olds heads? i have a feeling they are rover heads. you know the olds 215 used an extra head bolt per cylinder and that they used a different rocker assembly, which necesitated the use of different pushrods?

    as for the oil filter, i'm using a remote kit, as it sits awfully close to the axle pumpkin and would surely hit once the suspension flexes.

    as for the alt bracket, i'll try to get you pics after Christmas.

    The 198 alt bracket will bolt to the 215, although the bolt in the head would not work because as explained above, the buick 215 didnt have the threaded holes in the heads, but the 198 did. BUT, there is a bigger problem. the 198 alt bracket when sized up on a 215 will put the alt pulley out of alignment with the fan and crank pulley. did you size that up yet? i bet the belt will not run true.

    its tough to accurately explain it all here. i'll try to get some pics that will tell the story.
     
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  14. Dec 21, 2005
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Will get pics tomorrow - my Grandfather had a pacemaker installed today as a Christmas surprise for the family...
     
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  15. Dec 22, 2005
    termin8ed

    termin8ed I didn't do it Staff Member

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    Don't have an alt for it yet so I didn't even think about that.
    They are olds heads. Thanks on the "heads" up on the pushrods;)

    After thinking about it all day I checked the alt bracket from the 225 last night when I got home. Turns out the head had slid down a little the first time I tried fitting the bracket on it. After sliding it back up into place, the bracket from the 225 should fit no problem.
     
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  16. Dec 22, 2005
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Good - my pics wouldn't help. The alt mount I have is a home made job that came with the engine.
     
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  17. Dec 23, 2005
    termin8ed

    termin8ed I didn't do it Staff Member

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    Thanks for trying8)
     
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  18. Dec 23, 2005
    linckeil

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    so do you still need pics? or are you all set with a 225 alt bracket?
     
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    termin8ed

    termin8ed I didn't do it Staff Member

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    I think I'm all set, but if you happen to get a few pics I'd still appreciate it.8)
     
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  20. Dec 27, 2005
    linckeil

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    Ok, Here are some pics.

    1) 198. Notice the threaded holes in the head.

    2) 198 with 198 alternator bracket. secures with 2 bolts on timing cover, and one bolt on head.

    3) 215. Notice the lack of threaded holes in the head, but see the head bolt has a stud on it.

    4) 215 with 215 alternator bracket. secures with 3 bolts on timing cover, one on the head bolt, and one to the motor mount bolt for additional support brace.

    5) 215 with 215 alternator bracket. in this shot you can see the additional brace running to the motor mount.
     
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